1 00:00:11,968 --> 00:00:15,167 When a government says this is what happened, 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,868 people are smart enough to know there's more to the story. 3 00:00:19,033 --> 00:00:21,000 But they don't take to the streets. 4 00:00:21,167 --> 00:00:23,901 Welcome to Epstein's final home. 5 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:26,467 This already is showing you how tough it's gonna be 6 00:00:26,634 --> 00:00:28,267 to tie yourself into this position. 7 00:00:28,434 --> 00:00:30,767 He'd have to be doubled all the way over, right? 8 00:00:30,934 --> 00:00:32,167 He's gonna have to tie himself 9 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:36,868 with pristine precision to make sure his hips 10 00:00:37,033 --> 00:00:38,000 don't hit the ground. 11 00:00:40,901 --> 00:00:42,067 Let's face it. 12 00:00:42,234 --> 00:00:43,968 There are so many government conspiracies, 13 00:00:44,133 --> 00:00:47,667 it can be hard to tell what's real and what's not. 14 00:00:47,834 --> 00:00:49,200 My name is Andrew Bustamante, 15 00:00:49,367 --> 00:00:52,667 and I am a former covert CIA intelligence officer. 16 00:00:52,834 --> 00:00:55,501 And I'm going to pressure test the most sensational, 17 00:00:55,667 --> 00:00:58,767 ripped-from-the-headlines conspiracy theories out there 18 00:00:58,934 --> 00:01:01,167 to help you separate fact from fiction. 19 00:01:26,667 --> 00:01:29,067 On a summer morning in 2019, 20 00:01:29,234 --> 00:01:32,000 one of the most important criminal cases in America 21 00:01:32,167 --> 00:01:33,567 came to an abrupt end, 22 00:01:34,667 --> 00:01:37,567 when inside a federal jail cell in lower Manhattan, 23 00:01:37,734 --> 00:01:39,868 Jeffrey Epstein was found dead. 24 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:41,467 Breaking news right now. 25 00:01:41,634 --> 00:01:45,000 Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein has taken his own life 26 00:01:45,167 --> 00:01:48,167 while he was behind bars here in New York City. 27 00:01:48,334 --> 00:01:54,167 It appeared that he had hung himself in his cell within MCC. 28 00:01:54,334 --> 00:01:56,667 But almost immediately, the questions began. 29 00:01:57,901 --> 00:01:59,801 Did Epstein really commit suicide, 30 00:01:59,968 --> 00:02:01,667 or was he murdered? 31 00:02:02,467 --> 00:02:05,167 Why didn't the guards make their normal rounds that night? 32 00:02:06,667 --> 00:02:09,067 Why were the cameras outside his cell not working? 33 00:02:11,367 --> 00:02:13,267 Why was the crime scene not preserved? 34 00:02:14,767 --> 00:02:18,601 As more time passed, more questions piled up. 35 00:02:19,367 --> 00:02:22,767 Then in January 2026, the DOJ began releasing 36 00:02:22,934 --> 00:02:25,467 millions of documents, what we all now know 37 00:02:25,634 --> 00:02:27,100 as the Epstein files. 38 00:02:27,267 --> 00:02:28,467 The Justice Department, on Friday, 39 00:02:28,634 --> 00:02:30,868 released more than three million additional pages 40 00:02:31,033 --> 00:02:32,300 related to the investigation 41 00:02:32,467 --> 00:02:34,868 into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. 42 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:39,467 The files revealed that he wasn't just a well-connected 43 00:02:39,634 --> 00:02:41,467 financial advisor for the ultra-rich. 44 00:02:42,367 --> 00:02:45,901 Epstein was an international power player, a global fixer 45 00:02:46,067 --> 00:02:47,767 who would have made an excellent asset 46 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:50,400 for a variety of state and non-state actors, 47 00:02:50,567 --> 00:02:51,868 including intelligence agencies. 48 00:02:53,567 --> 00:02:56,968 His emails show him talking about coups, arms trade, 49 00:02:57,133 --> 00:03:00,167 and insider deals worth millions, 50 00:03:00,334 --> 00:03:01,267 brokering introductions 51 00:03:01,434 --> 00:03:05,634 to and for the absolute elite of elite. 52 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,968 And of course, he was one of the world's most notorious 53 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:13,667 sex traffickers, who supplied young women and girls 54 00:03:13,834 --> 00:03:17,100 to a long list of powerful people, 55 00:03:17,267 --> 00:03:20,567 people who had every reason to hope that he would never get 56 00:03:20,734 --> 00:03:22,968 a chance to speak in court, 57 00:03:23,133 --> 00:03:26,567 which is why this conspiracy theory has lived on 58 00:03:26,734 --> 00:03:27,667 since his death. 59 00:03:27,834 --> 00:03:29,367 Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. 60 00:03:29,534 --> 00:03:31,667 Epstein didn't kill himself. 61 00:03:31,834 --> 00:03:33,367 Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself 62 00:03:33,534 --> 00:03:34,801 or did somebody kill him? 63 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:37,667 Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell 64 00:03:37,834 --> 00:03:39,567 in the Metropolitan Detention Center. 65 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,067 - He didn't kill himself. - No. 66 00:03:42,234 --> 00:03:44,067 - He was murdered in his cell. - Yeah. 67 00:03:44,234 --> 00:03:46,968 It's the most secure federal lockup in the United States. 68 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:48,167 How can that happen? 69 00:03:50,501 --> 00:03:52,100 To pressure-test conspiracy theories 70 00:03:52,267 --> 00:03:54,100 around Epstein's death, I'm conducting 71 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:56,601 my most in-depth investigation yet, 72 00:03:57,467 --> 00:03:59,601 taking you inside a full-scale replica 73 00:03:59,767 --> 00:04:01,467 of Jeffrey Epstein's cell... 74 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:04,868 Oh, just like my old home. 75 00:04:05,033 --> 00:04:06,267 ...where I meet with a former inmate 76 00:04:06,434 --> 00:04:08,901 who was Epstein's closest friend inside. 77 00:04:09,067 --> 00:04:12,601 I do know the last day that I watched Jeffrey Epstein, 78 00:04:12,767 --> 00:04:15,067 he really looked depressed. 79 00:04:15,234 --> 00:04:16,267 I track down an internet sleuth 80 00:04:16,434 --> 00:04:18,767 with shocking new details he discovered 81 00:04:18,934 --> 00:04:20,467 in cell-block footage. 82 00:04:20,634 --> 00:04:23,400 They say that that's what that orange blob is, 83 00:04:23,567 --> 00:04:26,100 but I can prove to you that is not the case. 84 00:04:26,267 --> 00:04:28,601 Then I'll bring in one of the top podcasters 85 00:04:28,767 --> 00:04:32,100 in the country who reveals another wild theory. 86 00:04:32,567 --> 00:04:35,868 If you were to fake his death, you'd get a body-double 87 00:04:36,033 --> 00:04:37,467 and make sure that everyone 88 00:04:37,634 --> 00:04:38,934 could see it, including the press. 89 00:04:39,601 --> 00:04:42,200 And we'll meet with a leading forensic pathologist 90 00:04:42,367 --> 00:04:44,267 to help put all the pieces together. 91 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:47,167 Have I seen multiple fractures in these structures? 92 00:04:47,334 --> 00:04:49,667 Yes-- have I seen it in hanging? No. 93 00:04:49,834 --> 00:04:51,200 My goal? 94 00:04:51,367 --> 00:04:54,000 To answer the question, what really happened 95 00:04:54,167 --> 00:04:57,300 to Jeffrey Epstein in the early morning hours 96 00:04:57,467 --> 00:04:59,868 of August 10th, 2019? 97 00:05:12,567 --> 00:05:15,767 In early July 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested 98 00:05:15,934 --> 00:05:18,701 on federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges 99 00:05:18,868 --> 00:05:21,267 involving dozens of underage victims. 100 00:05:21,434 --> 00:05:23,367 Facing up to 45 years in prison, 101 00:05:23,534 --> 00:05:25,100 Epstein was sent here, 102 00:05:25,267 --> 00:05:26,701 the Metropolitan Correctional Center, 103 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:27,901 as he awaited trial. 104 00:05:30,267 --> 00:05:32,467 But less than a month after his arrest, 105 00:05:32,634 --> 00:05:34,167 he would be found dead in a cell. 106 00:05:36,367 --> 00:05:38,667 This is the final report into Epstein's death 107 00:05:38,834 --> 00:05:41,000 written by the Department of Justice. 108 00:05:41,467 --> 00:05:45,400 It says that at 6:33 AM, guards found Epstein's body 109 00:05:45,567 --> 00:05:47,767 unresponsive in his cell, hanged 110 00:05:47,934 --> 00:05:49,767 in a near-seated position 111 00:05:49,934 --> 00:05:51,501 with one end of an orange cloth tied 112 00:05:51,667 --> 00:05:52,833 around his neck 113 00:05:52,834 --> 00:05:56,801 and the other tied to the top portion of a bunk bed. 114 00:05:59,267 --> 00:06:01,367 You can hate Jeffrey Epstein all you want. 115 00:06:01,534 --> 00:06:03,968 You can hate the atrocities that he committed, 116 00:06:04,133 --> 00:06:06,701 but you still have to respect the truth. 117 00:06:07,767 --> 00:06:12,467 You still have to seek out the answers that are factual. 118 00:06:13,868 --> 00:06:15,501 To cut through the noise, I'm reaching out 119 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:16,968 to a forensic psychologist 120 00:06:17,133 --> 00:06:19,367 with a deep knowledge of the Epstein files. 121 00:06:19,534 --> 00:06:23,167 Dr. JP Garrison has testified in courts in hundreds of cases 122 00:06:23,334 --> 00:06:24,868 as an expert witness and is known 123 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:26,501 for his popular YouTube channel. 124 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:28,000 Hey everybody, Dr. G here. 125 00:06:28,167 --> 00:06:30,000 He has poured over thousands of documents 126 00:06:30,167 --> 00:06:31,868 and watched every second of video footage 127 00:06:32,033 --> 00:06:34,100 released by the DOJ, 128 00:06:34,267 --> 00:06:35,868 which is why I'm turning to him 129 00:06:36,033 --> 00:06:37,567 to poke holes in the official story. 130 00:06:38,968 --> 00:06:40,868 Yeah, this has been a huge mystery for everybody. 131 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:43,100 I've been invested in this since 2019, 132 00:06:43,267 --> 00:06:44,267 back when it happened, 133 00:06:44,434 --> 00:06:46,400 and I'm still tens of thousands, 134 00:06:46,567 --> 00:06:48,100 if not over 100,000 documents deep 135 00:06:48,267 --> 00:06:50,567 into figuring out exactly what happened. 136 00:06:50,734 --> 00:06:52,501 When you look at the Epstein death, 137 00:06:52,667 --> 00:06:53,833 what do you see? 138 00:06:53,834 --> 00:06:55,801 In the report by the Department of Justice, 139 00:06:55,968 --> 00:06:58,367 there's so many things about it that are factually incorrect-- 140 00:06:58,534 --> 00:07:00,100 and ones that I can prove today, 141 00:07:00,267 --> 00:07:02,767 are not the explanation that the OIG gave. 142 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,000 This is the SHU, the special housing unit 143 00:07:06,167 --> 00:07:07,901 where Jeffrey Epstein was housed. 144 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,367 Now, this is the very minimal camera footage that we have 145 00:07:13,534 --> 00:07:16,501 from the final night of Jeffrey Epstein in prison. 146 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:19,267 This prison has cameras everywhere, 147 00:07:19,434 --> 00:07:21,267 but it just so happens 148 00:07:21,434 --> 00:07:22,767 that this is the only one 149 00:07:22,934 --> 00:07:25,167 that was actually functional that night. 150 00:07:25,334 --> 00:07:27,367 And do we know on this picture screen 151 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:29,367 where Epstein's cell is? 152 00:07:29,534 --> 00:07:32,167 It's almost directly in the middle there. 153 00:07:32,334 --> 00:07:34,667 The stairs leading up to what's called L-Tier 154 00:07:34,834 --> 00:07:36,501 are right there. 155 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,901 And that's right next to a desk here. 156 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:40,400 This is where the two correctional officers 157 00:07:40,567 --> 00:07:41,601 that were there that night-- 158 00:07:41,767 --> 00:07:42,901 correctional officer Michael Thomas 159 00:07:43,067 --> 00:07:45,667 and correctional officer Tova Noel, worked. 160 00:07:45,834 --> 00:07:47,000 We'll let this play. 161 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:50,167 You can see a little bit of movement around that desk. 162 00:07:50,334 --> 00:07:52,200 That is correctional officer Tova Noel. 163 00:07:52,367 --> 00:07:55,901 You're going to see her get up and walk off of the screen. 164 00:07:59,667 --> 00:08:01,901 Now, if you watch closely right here, 165 00:08:02,067 --> 00:08:04,100 you're about to see what appears to be 166 00:08:04,267 --> 00:08:05,467 somebody walking up the stairs. 167 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:13,901 To me, that looks like somebody in an orange outfit 168 00:08:14,067 --> 00:08:15,367 walking up the stairs. 169 00:08:16,467 --> 00:08:17,467 It could be anybody. 170 00:08:17,634 --> 00:08:19,000 We have no way to know who it is. 171 00:08:19,167 --> 00:08:20,767 We know that it's somebody in a jumpsuit, though, 172 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,167 and we know that it's not a correctional officer, 173 00:08:23,334 --> 00:08:24,667 because then maybe in about 30 seconds, 174 00:08:24,834 --> 00:08:25,999 we're actually gonna see 175 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,868 correctional officer Tova Noel walk back into frame, 176 00:08:29,033 --> 00:08:31,067 and we don't see coming down the stairs. 177 00:08:33,167 --> 00:08:36,267 She's walking the same way she did when she left frame. 178 00:08:37,367 --> 00:08:38,466 Wow. 179 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:40,501 It was very clear that the correctional officer 180 00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:42,467 stepped away from the desk... 181 00:08:42,634 --> 00:08:45,100 in a direction away from the stairwell 182 00:08:45,267 --> 00:08:46,567 to the special housing unit. 183 00:08:46,734 --> 00:08:49,167 An orange color of some sort 184 00:08:49,334 --> 00:08:51,400 that is suspiciously similar to a jumpsuit 185 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,901 went up the stairs at a time 186 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,868 when no correctional officer was present. 187 00:08:56,767 --> 00:09:00,701 Now, what the OIG has said very clearly in the report is 188 00:09:00,868 --> 00:09:02,267 that at 10:40, they believe 189 00:09:02,434 --> 00:09:04,667 that correctional officer Tova Noel carried up 190 00:09:04,834 --> 00:09:08,767 linens or shirts up to that tier. 191 00:09:08,934 --> 00:09:11,567 But we know for a fact that is not the case. 192 00:09:11,734 --> 00:09:14,467 This is the OIG's office actually interviewing 193 00:09:14,634 --> 00:09:17,968 officer Tova Noel, who we saw on that video. 194 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:19,200 So DOJ asks, 195 00:09:19,367 --> 00:09:21,601 "OK, why did Epstein have extra clothing 196 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:23,367 and extra linen in his cell?" 197 00:09:23,534 --> 00:09:25,567 Ms. Noel says, "I don't know." 198 00:09:25,734 --> 00:09:27,300 The DOJ asks, "You said that 199 00:09:27,467 --> 00:09:28,801 that was something that you did though, 200 00:09:28,968 --> 00:09:30,667 as far as your duties." 201 00:09:30,834 --> 00:09:34,067 Ms. Noel says, "I never gave out linen-- ever, 202 00:09:34,234 --> 00:09:36,367 because that's done on the shift prior." 203 00:09:36,801 --> 00:09:40,767 So that explanation makes no sense by their own interview. 204 00:09:40,934 --> 00:09:44,067 I mean, these are some glaring contradictions. 205 00:09:45,067 --> 00:09:48,267 A figure in inmate-orange is seen going up the stairs 206 00:09:48,434 --> 00:09:50,367 at a time of night when prisoners are supposed 207 00:09:50,534 --> 00:09:52,200 to be locked down in their cells 208 00:09:52,367 --> 00:09:54,767 and no one is seen coming down all night. 209 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,300 But one of the most suspicious pieces of evidence 210 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:01,300 is something that actually happened the next day. 211 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:03,200 Now, what you're seeing right here, 212 00:10:03,367 --> 00:10:06,267 this is the tier where Jeffrey Epstein was housed. 213 00:10:06,434 --> 00:10:10,300 He would have been the last room on the left. 214 00:10:10,467 --> 00:10:12,667 On the night of August 11th, the prison cameras 215 00:10:12,834 --> 00:10:14,367 that were reported to be malfunctioning 216 00:10:14,534 --> 00:10:16,367 the days leading up to Epstein's death 217 00:10:16,534 --> 00:10:18,367 started recording again. 218 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:19,901 And the stairwell to Jeffrey Epstein 219 00:10:20,067 --> 00:10:22,200 is actually on the left side of the screen here going up. 220 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,400 That's correct. There's a guard standing 221 00:10:24,567 --> 00:10:27,400 right next to the staircase that would be leading up to L-Tier. 222 00:10:27,567 --> 00:10:30,667 Now, had these cameras been functioning, 223 00:10:30,834 --> 00:10:33,400 we would have gotten a great shot of whoever it is 224 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:35,367 that walked into the tier at that time. 225 00:10:35,534 --> 00:10:40,968 The fact that we have this clip in L-Tier on August 11th, 226 00:10:41,133 --> 00:10:43,767 but they just happen to be down the day he died, 227 00:10:43,934 --> 00:10:45,801 is a giant red flag. 228 00:10:45,968 --> 00:10:48,300 There are just so many aspects to this that don't 229 00:10:48,467 --> 00:10:50,000 make any sense. 230 00:10:50,167 --> 00:10:53,167 There are a wide variety of reasons I just don't think 231 00:10:53,334 --> 00:10:55,200 it's possible that the man killed himself. 232 00:10:58,801 --> 00:11:00,667 The fact that either an inmate, 233 00:11:00,834 --> 00:11:02,501 someone wanting to look like an inmate, 234 00:11:02,667 --> 00:11:05,467 or someone carrying orange linens walked up that staircase 235 00:11:05,634 --> 00:11:08,901 to L-Tier when Officer Noel had left the guard station 236 00:11:09,067 --> 00:11:11,601 supports the murder theory. 237 00:11:11,968 --> 00:11:14,667 But also, the supposed gold-standard report 238 00:11:14,834 --> 00:11:16,868 from the Office of the Inspector General 239 00:11:17,033 --> 00:11:18,501 is flawed. 240 00:11:18,667 --> 00:11:20,000 There were glaring holes 241 00:11:20,167 --> 00:11:22,467 not just in the technical surveillance, 242 00:11:22,634 --> 00:11:24,367 but also in the fact that guards 243 00:11:24,534 --> 00:11:26,067 were not following standard policy 244 00:11:26,234 --> 00:11:28,300 and they were lying about it. 245 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,667 I actually have a New York Post reporter 246 00:11:30,834 --> 00:11:32,767 who's dug deep into one of the guards 247 00:11:32,934 --> 00:11:35,601 that was on duty the night that Epstein died. 248 00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:38,467 But before I talk to her, I want to talk to somebody 249 00:11:38,634 --> 00:11:41,767 who was actually in the prison with Epstein himself. 250 00:11:41,934 --> 00:11:44,701 Someone who can tell me if Epstein was showing any 251 00:11:44,868 --> 00:11:47,267 of the signs of somebody in a fragile state of mind 252 00:11:47,434 --> 00:11:48,767 contemplating suicide. 253 00:11:48,934 --> 00:11:51,267 So I've tracked down a former inmate who lived in a cell 254 00:11:51,434 --> 00:11:53,767 just like this in the same prison block 255 00:11:53,934 --> 00:11:56,200 at the same time as Jeffrey Epstein. 256 00:12:09,901 --> 00:12:11,167 2 The next step in my investigation 257 00:12:11,334 --> 00:12:14,067 into the mysterious death of Jeffrey Epstein is to try 258 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:15,567 and understand his state of mind. 259 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:18,467 I'm on my way now to meet with somebody 260 00:12:18,634 --> 00:12:21,100 who had personal contact with Epstein in prison, 261 00:12:21,267 --> 00:12:22,167 somebody who was actually 262 00:12:22,334 --> 00:12:24,667 serving time in the same prison system 263 00:12:24,834 --> 00:12:27,567 and who was with Epstein in his final days. 264 00:12:33,868 --> 00:12:35,667 Billy. 265 00:12:35,834 --> 00:12:37,601 - That's me. - Andy. 266 00:12:37,767 --> 00:12:38,801 - Glad to meet you. - Glad to meet you. 267 00:12:38,968 --> 00:12:40,167 Welcome to Colorado. 268 00:12:40,334 --> 00:12:41,501 It's terrific here. I love it. 269 00:12:41,667 --> 00:12:43,567 So I've got some interesting stuff to show you, 270 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:45,467 and I'm hoping that you'll have some interesting stuff that 271 00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:47,968 you can share with me, too. - Oh, I'm sure I will. 272 00:12:48,133 --> 00:12:49,400 This is us, sir. 273 00:12:51,868 --> 00:12:53,000 Bill Mersey didn't just read 274 00:12:53,167 --> 00:12:55,167 about Jeffrey Epstein's final days, 275 00:12:55,334 --> 00:12:56,267 he lived them. 276 00:12:56,868 --> 00:12:57,968 As a fellow inmate 277 00:12:58,133 --> 00:13:00,067 at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, 278 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,868 if anyone knows if Epstein wanted 279 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:05,367 to kill himself, it's Bill. 280 00:13:06,701 --> 00:13:08,300 What was it like there? 281 00:13:08,467 --> 00:13:10,801 How would you describe conditions in MCC? 282 00:13:10,968 --> 00:13:12,100 It was a bad facility. 283 00:13:12,267 --> 00:13:14,167 It was on its way out, and everybody knew it. 284 00:13:14,334 --> 00:13:17,467 I mean, when I was designated there and I Googled it, 285 00:13:17,634 --> 00:13:18,501 I saw that it was called 286 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:20,667 the Guantanamo of New York City. 287 00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:23,400 I was like, "Oh, my God, where are they sending me?" 288 00:13:23,567 --> 00:13:26,400 The MCC has seen its share of famous inmates, 289 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:27,767 from John Gotti 290 00:13:27,934 --> 00:13:30,100 to El Chapo to Bernie Madoff. 291 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:33,567 Mersey was there finishing out a year sentence for tax fraud. 292 00:13:33,734 --> 00:13:35,701 Nobody wanted to work there. 293 00:13:35,868 --> 00:13:38,167 Some of the officers were coming from Pennsylvania 294 00:13:38,334 --> 00:13:40,000 and working triples. 295 00:13:40,167 --> 00:13:43,067 Those guys weren't really ready for prime time. 296 00:13:43,234 --> 00:13:46,200 One time, the feds brought in some overseers 297 00:13:46,367 --> 00:13:48,567 to observe the prison, 298 00:13:48,734 --> 00:13:50,767 and a lot of the officers would talk to me, 299 00:13:50,934 --> 00:13:52,868 and one guy told me, he says, 300 00:13:53,033 --> 00:13:55,667 "It's a total systemic breakdown. 301 00:13:55,834 --> 00:13:59,801 This is the worst facility I've ever monitored." 302 00:13:59,968 --> 00:14:01,100 Wow. 303 00:14:02,801 --> 00:14:07,000 Jeffrey Epstein entered the MCC on July 6, 2019. 304 00:14:07,167 --> 00:14:10,701 Then, on July 23, just 18 days before his death, 305 00:14:10,868 --> 00:14:13,567 Epstein was found unconscious on the floor of his cell 306 00:14:13,734 --> 00:14:14,667 with marks on his neck. 307 00:14:15,968 --> 00:14:17,868 Here's what's interesting. 308 00:14:18,033 --> 00:14:20,501 He claimed his cellmate, a former police officer 309 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:23,167 convicted of murdering four people, attacked him. 310 00:14:24,067 --> 00:14:27,100 But curiously, Epstein walked that claim back, 311 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:28,868 saying he didn't know what had happened. 312 00:14:30,267 --> 00:14:33,667 After that incident, he was placed on suicide watch, 313 00:14:33,834 --> 00:14:37,667 with Mersey assigned as Epstein's suicide watch monitor. 314 00:14:37,834 --> 00:14:41,167 And I watched him the next night, and I said, 315 00:14:41,334 --> 00:14:43,400 "So Jeffrey, what happened?" 316 00:14:43,567 --> 00:14:45,100 And he said, 317 00:14:45,267 --> 00:14:46,566 "Uh, I don't know. 318 00:14:46,567 --> 00:14:50,100 I got up to get a drink of water and that's all I remember." 319 00:14:50,267 --> 00:14:52,601 And I looked at him like, "Come on." 320 00:14:52,767 --> 00:14:54,367 You know, I've been talking to you for hours 321 00:14:54,534 --> 00:14:56,367 and you haven't lied to me once. 322 00:14:56,534 --> 00:14:58,267 And now I know you're lying to me. 323 00:14:59,367 --> 00:15:02,367 As Epstein's companion, Mersey spent long stretches 324 00:15:02,534 --> 00:15:05,100 with him every day, sometimes four or as many 325 00:15:05,267 --> 00:15:06,767 as eight hours a day. 326 00:15:06,934 --> 00:15:09,400 What were your observations of Jeffrey Epstein 327 00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:10,633 when you first met him? 328 00:15:10,634 --> 00:15:13,767 First of all, he did not strike me as entitled. 329 00:15:13,934 --> 00:15:17,167 He seemed like a fairly average individual 330 00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:18,567 who I grew up with. 331 00:15:18,734 --> 00:15:21,667 He didn't strike me as exceptionally intelligent. 332 00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:38,167 I mean, obviously he had a side that was really 333 00:15:38,334 --> 00:15:40,567 kind of creepy and repulsive. 334 00:15:40,734 --> 00:15:43,067 But he didn't show it with me. 335 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:44,601 And how did that change over time? 336 00:15:44,767 --> 00:15:47,400 Did his demeanor change? Did his behaviors change? 337 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:50,767 I do know the last day that I watched Jeffrey Epstein, 338 00:15:50,934 --> 00:15:52,367 he really looked depressed. 339 00:15:52,534 --> 00:15:55,567 He was sitting on the floor eating his chicken dinner 340 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:57,300 out of a Styrofoam container. 341 00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:00,467 And then he said, "Mersey, do you need any money?" 342 00:16:01,367 --> 00:16:03,767 So I said, "I could always use money from a billionaire. 343 00:16:03,934 --> 00:16:05,000 That's a ridiculous question." 344 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:06,467 He says, "Well, give me your reg number. 345 00:16:06,634 --> 00:16:08,567 You know, I'll put some money on your books." 346 00:16:09,367 --> 00:16:12,200 I was like, "Wow." This sounds very final. 347 00:16:12,367 --> 00:16:14,868 So, I mean, it's clear to me that you saw something 348 00:16:15,033 --> 00:16:18,601 in Jeffrey Epstein that not many people got to see. 349 00:16:18,767 --> 00:16:20,567 - Oh, absolutely. - And then he was released 350 00:16:20,734 --> 00:16:25,267 out of the suicide watch unit and back into the SHU. 351 00:16:25,434 --> 00:16:30,167 They let Jeffrey Epstein alone in a cell when he had already 352 00:16:30,334 --> 00:16:32,000 had suicidal ideations. 353 00:16:32,167 --> 00:16:34,167 Why would you leave a guy alone? 354 00:16:34,667 --> 00:16:36,467 Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein 355 00:16:36,634 --> 00:16:37,601 could have been murdered? 356 00:16:39,667 --> 00:16:40,667 No. 357 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:42,868 Why not? 358 00:16:43,767 --> 00:16:47,000 Well, so difficult to get in and out of that prison 359 00:16:47,167 --> 00:16:49,901 and involving so many co-conspirators 360 00:16:50,067 --> 00:16:52,267 that would have broken down on their interrogation. 361 00:16:52,434 --> 00:16:54,000 - I'm sure you're aware... - Yeah. 362 00:16:54,167 --> 00:16:56,801 ...but there are multiple conspiracy theories out there. 363 00:16:56,968 --> 00:16:58,166 Oh, absolutely. 364 00:16:58,167 --> 00:17:00,167 I mean, clearly there were a lot of people who wanted 365 00:17:00,334 --> 00:17:02,100 Jeffrey Epstein dead at that point. 366 00:17:02,267 --> 00:17:03,767 If you'll just follow me over here, 367 00:17:03,934 --> 00:17:05,601 I had a mock-up made 368 00:17:05,767 --> 00:17:07,868 of an MCC special housing unit cell, 369 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:10,100 specifically Jeffrey Epstein's cell, 370 00:17:10,267 --> 00:17:12,801 cell number 220. 371 00:17:13,601 --> 00:17:15,667 - Oh, terrific. - You ready to see the other side? 372 00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:16,767 Yes, sir. 373 00:17:19,901 --> 00:17:22,000 Oh, just like my old home. 374 00:17:24,467 --> 00:17:26,267 Looks pretty realistic. 375 00:17:28,067 --> 00:17:29,266 That's fairly accurate. 376 00:17:29,267 --> 00:17:32,767 You know, actually, my cell, it had that kind of window 377 00:17:32,934 --> 00:17:35,300 right there, and my head was here. 378 00:17:36,901 --> 00:17:39,901 We didn't have a ladder, but there was-- 379 00:17:40,067 --> 00:17:42,367 what there was, was a post here 380 00:17:42,767 --> 00:17:46,567 so that you could hang a sheet. This doesn't have that. 381 00:17:46,734 --> 00:17:47,767 Hm. 382 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,868 The evidence in this case is often murky. 383 00:17:50,567 --> 00:17:52,400 The only photos of Epstein's death scene 384 00:17:52,567 --> 00:17:53,868 were taken hours later, 385 00:17:54,033 --> 00:17:56,267 after the room had been rearranged. 386 00:17:56,434 --> 00:17:59,000 But the guard who found him said he discovered Epstein 387 00:17:59,167 --> 00:18:02,567 hanging in this corner, suspended from a piece of sheet 388 00:18:02,734 --> 00:18:04,467 tied to another piece of sheet. 389 00:18:04,634 --> 00:18:06,167 He says it wasn't just a singular piece. 390 00:18:06,334 --> 00:18:07,767 So basically he says he ripped the sheet 391 00:18:07,934 --> 00:18:10,467 and then he plopped down afterwards. 392 00:18:10,634 --> 00:18:12,567 So for the purposes of our investigation, 393 00:18:12,734 --> 00:18:15,000 we're going to assume he was hanging from this hole 394 00:18:15,167 --> 00:18:18,100 in the bed frame, circled here by the FBI. 395 00:18:18,968 --> 00:18:23,467 We actually modeled this off of images that were published 396 00:18:23,634 --> 00:18:25,067 after Epstein's death 397 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:26,968 with the Department of Justice report. 398 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Oh. 399 00:18:32,267 --> 00:18:34,367 It's missing, this extra post 400 00:18:34,534 --> 00:18:36,267 that you're talking about. It doesn't exist at all. 401 00:18:36,434 --> 00:18:39,567 And where we believe that Epstein 402 00:18:39,734 --> 00:18:41,667 tried to hang himself 403 00:18:41,834 --> 00:18:45,267 is this orange piece of fabric right there 404 00:18:45,434 --> 00:18:46,400 coming out of that hole. 405 00:18:48,868 --> 00:18:51,467 I don't know. It looks pretty low. 406 00:18:51,634 --> 00:18:53,467 I don't know that you could generate the kind 407 00:18:53,634 --> 00:18:55,467 of acceleration you would need 408 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:56,767 to snap your neck 409 00:18:56,934 --> 00:18:59,167 if that's where he tied up the sheets. 410 00:18:59,334 --> 00:19:02,968 I always assumed he did something from here where, 411 00:19:03,133 --> 00:19:05,167 again, there was a stem sticking up. 412 00:19:05,334 --> 00:19:08,167 He tied himself up, he did the distances, 413 00:19:08,334 --> 00:19:09,801 and he just raised himself up. 414 00:19:09,968 --> 00:19:10,868 And jumped off, 415 00:19:11,033 --> 00:19:12,901 and then, before he hit the floor, 416 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,167 he got yanked in the neck, and that generated enough force 417 00:19:18,334 --> 00:19:20,567 to kill him. That was my assumption. 418 00:19:20,734 --> 00:19:21,667 I just... 419 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:26,267 It seems like there's not a lot of leeway. 420 00:19:26,434 --> 00:19:28,868 If you got to jump off and that's your-- 421 00:19:29,033 --> 00:19:31,467 like, your fulcrum point, 422 00:19:31,634 --> 00:19:33,968 you'd have to be extremely exact. 423 00:19:35,267 --> 00:19:38,000 You really did a lot of mathematical calculations 424 00:19:38,167 --> 00:19:39,367 to get the job done. 425 00:19:39,534 --> 00:19:43,267 I wanted to do this once and for all with finality... 426 00:19:43,434 --> 00:19:45,300 Why wouldn't you do it on the window? 427 00:19:46,701 --> 00:19:48,567 Which gives you more space. 428 00:19:48,734 --> 00:19:51,367 If you can tear these fabrics, if they're not, in fact, 429 00:19:51,534 --> 00:19:54,267 tear-proof, and you have an unlimited amount of them, 430 00:19:54,434 --> 00:19:56,100 you could do anything. 431 00:19:56,267 --> 00:19:58,667 Yeah, it would make sense to do it from the window. 432 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,100 What are you feeling, Billy? What are you thinking? 433 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:09,167 There are some unanswered questions. 434 00:20:09,334 --> 00:20:11,000 I grant you that. 435 00:20:11,167 --> 00:20:12,868 But it doesn't mean that Jeffrey Epstein 436 00:20:13,033 --> 00:20:14,166 didn't kill himself. 437 00:20:14,167 --> 00:20:18,000 But, I mean, you've sort of opened the door with me 438 00:20:18,167 --> 00:20:20,701 that there's a possibility that he was murdered. 439 00:20:25,901 --> 00:20:28,367 So if murder is a likelier possibility, 440 00:20:28,534 --> 00:20:31,267 could an inmate have done it with help from a guard? 441 00:20:31,434 --> 00:20:33,767 It's not an implausible theory. 442 00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:35,868 Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just any person, right? 443 00:20:36,033 --> 00:20:37,868 He was friends with some of the most powerful, 444 00:20:38,033 --> 00:20:39,868 wealthy people in the world. 445 00:20:40,033 --> 00:20:42,300 So if I was approached by a Saudi prince, 446 00:20:42,467 --> 00:20:44,868 or a president, or a European billionaire, 447 00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:47,267 and they offered me a chance to carry out 448 00:20:47,434 --> 00:20:48,901 one crime in a prison 449 00:20:49,067 --> 00:20:52,868 where I was already convicted, and in exchange for that, 450 00:20:53,033 --> 00:20:55,000 they'd take care of my family on the other side? 451 00:20:55,167 --> 00:20:56,400 They'd take care of me when I get out? 452 00:20:57,767 --> 00:21:00,767 And my suspicions grew when I dug for more background 453 00:21:00,934 --> 00:21:03,200 from New York Post reporter Gabrielle Fahmy, 454 00:21:03,367 --> 00:21:05,300 who's been poring over evidence from the latest drop 455 00:21:05,467 --> 00:21:06,868 of files from the DOJ. 456 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,100 Remember the guard on duty night Epstein died? 457 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:13,601 Back in 2019, 458 00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:16,367 MCC guard Tova Noel and another guard 459 00:21:16,534 --> 00:21:19,567 were accused of falsifying prison logs to make it appear 460 00:21:19,734 --> 00:21:22,067 that they conducted bed checks on Epstein's cell block 461 00:21:22,234 --> 00:21:25,367 throughout the night. Both were fired. 462 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:28,200 Federal charges were filed and then later dropped 463 00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:30,901 after they agreed to cooperate with the investigation. 464 00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:33,601 But now new reporting from The New York Post 465 00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:36,167 has uncovered a twist in her story. 466 00:21:36,334 --> 00:21:39,000 The FBI pulled up the search history 467 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:43,601 from the computer she was using that night at the prison. 468 00:21:43,868 --> 00:21:47,467 We found that she was Googling "Latest on Epstein in jail" 469 00:21:47,634 --> 00:21:51,767 twice within a 10-minute span and just about 45 minutes 470 00:21:51,934 --> 00:21:53,467 before they found his body. 471 00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:55,167 So I found that really interesting. 472 00:21:55,334 --> 00:21:58,000 Did she have any explanation for why she was making 473 00:21:58,167 --> 00:22:00,467 that search happen at that time? - No. 474 00:22:00,634 --> 00:22:01,667 And that's what's interesting, 475 00:22:01,834 --> 00:22:04,167 because in that 400-page transcript 476 00:22:04,334 --> 00:22:06,601 of her interview with the DOJ, 477 00:22:06,767 --> 00:22:09,267 the inspectors asked her several times, 478 00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:11,467 and she just completely denied it. 479 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:13,167 - Wow. - So that was one thing. 480 00:22:13,334 --> 00:22:16,367 And then the other thing was that we found that her bank 481 00:22:16,534 --> 00:22:19,367 had flagged multiple cash deposits 482 00:22:19,534 --> 00:22:22,067 to her account that they found suspicious 483 00:22:22,234 --> 00:22:23,767 to the FBI. 484 00:22:23,934 --> 00:22:26,267 What do you know about the cash deposits? 485 00:22:26,434 --> 00:22:31,267 So that was flagged by Chase Bank in November 2019. 486 00:22:31,434 --> 00:22:34,267 They said there were 12 cash deposits 487 00:22:34,434 --> 00:22:36,701 starting before Epstein arrived in jail, 488 00:22:36,868 --> 00:22:39,567 which was in July 2019. 489 00:22:39,734 --> 00:22:42,200 And what we found was that last deposit is kind 490 00:22:42,367 --> 00:22:44,467 of the more interesting one, in my opinion, 491 00:22:44,634 --> 00:22:46,367 which was made on July 30th, 492 00:22:46,534 --> 00:22:49,467 a few days before Epstein was found dead. 493 00:22:49,634 --> 00:22:52,267 Yeah, the timing here, the amounts, 494 00:22:52,434 --> 00:22:54,667 the cash nature of the deposits. 495 00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:56,367 I think there's more to the story, 496 00:22:56,534 --> 00:23:00,067 and the public, you know, needs to know. 497 00:23:00,234 --> 00:23:02,367 Noel was never questioned by the FBI 498 00:23:02,534 --> 00:23:03,700 about the deposits, 499 00:23:03,701 --> 00:23:06,601 and she's denied all involvement in Epstein's death, 500 00:23:06,767 --> 00:23:08,100 blaming her actions that night 501 00:23:08,267 --> 00:23:09,567 on the jail's chaotic environment 502 00:23:09,734 --> 00:23:11,100 and lack of proper training. 503 00:23:12,901 --> 00:23:15,367 Coming up, we pressure-test the suicide theory 504 00:23:15,534 --> 00:23:19,100 with a podcaster who has gone deep on this story from day one. 505 00:23:19,267 --> 00:23:21,567 We can literally recreate 506 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:23,968 the hanging of a guy around his size 507 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:26,767 to see if this would even work. 508 00:23:29,601 --> 00:23:30,601 Wow. 509 00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:40,767 2 The more I look into the circumstances 510 00:23:40,934 --> 00:23:42,901 surrounding Epstein's death, 511 00:23:43,067 --> 00:23:46,667 the more suspicious I become of the official explanation. 512 00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:48,467 But one of the things they teach us at CIA 513 00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:51,501 is not to carry out an investigation alone, 514 00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:52,801 because the fastest way 515 00:23:52,968 --> 00:23:55,367 to the wrong answer is very often to fall in love 516 00:23:55,534 --> 00:23:56,868 with your own theory. 517 00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:59,701 So what I need is a second person to come along 518 00:23:59,868 --> 00:24:03,267 and pressure-test the idea that it was even physically possible 519 00:24:03,434 --> 00:24:06,100 for Epstein to kill himself in his cell. 520 00:24:06,267 --> 00:24:08,968 Do the mechanics add up? 521 00:24:09,133 --> 00:24:10,901 And I think I know just the guy. 522 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:13,566 What's up, everybody? 523 00:24:13,567 --> 00:24:16,567 Welcome back to another episode of The Great Society Show. 524 00:24:16,734 --> 00:24:18,067 I am Julian Dorey. 525 00:24:18,234 --> 00:24:20,701 Julian Dorey hosts one of the fastest-growing 526 00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:24,300 investigative podcasts on the Internet. 527 00:24:24,467 --> 00:24:27,000 He's been covering the Epstein case for years. 528 00:24:27,167 --> 00:24:28,767 In my opinion, they go to Epstein. 529 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:30,767 Interviewing journalists, insiders, 530 00:24:30,934 --> 00:24:32,701 intelligence officers and survivors. 531 00:24:32,868 --> 00:24:35,367 What's it been like to now see so much of the things 532 00:24:35,534 --> 00:24:38,200 that you have been pounding the table telling people 533 00:24:38,367 --> 00:24:40,567 now actually be visible to the public? 534 00:24:40,734 --> 00:24:44,767 The total feeling of being dismissed. 535 00:24:44,934 --> 00:24:46,868 But even after all those conversations, 536 00:24:47,033 --> 00:24:48,567 there's one part of this story 537 00:24:48,734 --> 00:24:50,868 he still can't square with the facts. 538 00:24:51,033 --> 00:24:52,467 When you strip away all the noise, 539 00:24:52,634 --> 00:24:53,868 the thing I keep coming back to 540 00:24:54,033 --> 00:24:56,367 is how strange those final days were. 541 00:24:56,534 --> 00:24:58,801 You got a guy who's just been taken off suicide watch 542 00:24:58,968 --> 00:24:59,968 in what is supposedly 543 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,767 one of the most secure federal institutions 544 00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:04,868 in America. Huge air quotes there. 545 00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:07,901 And conveniently, in this secure institution, 546 00:25:08,067 --> 00:25:10,868 the cameras aren't working, the guards fall asleep, 547 00:25:11,033 --> 00:25:13,267 and nobody's checking on him? 548 00:25:13,434 --> 00:25:15,667 Now, we allegedly know a lot about what happened 549 00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:17,701 and what didn't happen outside the cell, 550 00:25:17,868 --> 00:25:19,501 but after all these years, 551 00:25:19,667 --> 00:25:22,868 no one has been able to provide me with a coherent narrative 552 00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:25,133 of what happened inside the cell that night. 553 00:25:27,601 --> 00:25:29,267 - Welcome, sir. - Good to see you. 554 00:25:29,434 --> 00:25:30,367 Come on in. 555 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,467 So... 556 00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:36,267 when you hear the name Jeffrey Epstein, 557 00:25:36,434 --> 00:25:37,400 what comes to mind? 558 00:25:37,567 --> 00:25:39,167 He's on a whole different level. 559 00:25:39,334 --> 00:25:40,801 I would call him a sociopath. 560 00:25:40,968 --> 00:25:44,167 A sociopath has an incredible will to survive. 561 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:46,567 They never struggle with self doubt. 562 00:25:46,734 --> 00:25:48,868 They never struggle with a guilty conscience. 563 00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:51,100 They never struggle with the repercussions 564 00:25:51,267 --> 00:25:52,901 of their actions or their decisions. - Yes. 565 00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:56,200 - They are the cockroach, right? - Yes. 566 00:25:57,167 --> 00:25:59,067 You ever seen the movie "Primal Fear" 567 00:25:59,234 --> 00:26:01,367 with Edward Norton? - Yeah. 568 00:26:01,534 --> 00:26:03,100 It's about a sociopath who plays 569 00:26:03,267 --> 00:26:08,100 a fawning, feeble character sitting in prison 570 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:11,000 for some awful crime that he's going on trial for, 571 00:26:11,167 --> 00:26:12,100 and he could have never done it, 572 00:26:12,267 --> 00:26:13,868 'cause he's so scared. 573 00:26:14,033 --> 00:26:15,267 Aaron. 574 00:26:15,434 --> 00:26:16,467 What? 575 00:26:16,634 --> 00:26:20,400 What-- what were you saying? 576 00:26:20,567 --> 00:26:22,200 But he's just got multiple personalities, 577 00:26:22,367 --> 00:26:23,868 'cause he's a complete sociopath, 578 00:26:24,033 --> 00:26:25,567 and he's a demon inside. 579 00:26:25,734 --> 00:26:27,367 This is gonna [bleep] everything up, Marty. 580 00:26:27,534 --> 00:26:29,367 Don't you show that to a goddamn person! 581 00:26:29,534 --> 00:26:31,667 Do you understand me? Do you understand? 582 00:26:31,834 --> 00:26:36,100 Sociopaths are great actors. This guy was a survivor. 583 00:26:36,267 --> 00:26:37,968 That is the story of his life. 584 00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:42,367 Every time he should have been killed off figuratively 585 00:26:42,534 --> 00:26:45,467 or literally, he lived on and got more powerful. 586 00:26:46,267 --> 00:26:49,167 So is there a possibility that he killed himself? 587 00:26:49,334 --> 00:26:50,868 Yes. Do I think he did? 588 00:26:51,033 --> 00:26:55,901 No-- but I have to be open to all possibilities. 589 00:26:56,067 --> 00:26:57,200 Today is one of those days 590 00:26:57,367 --> 00:26:59,167 that if we do this together, I think we're gonna have 591 00:26:59,334 --> 00:27:01,701 some pretty incredible breakthroughs. 592 00:27:01,868 --> 00:27:02,901 You ready to take a look? 593 00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:04,200 Yeah. 594 00:27:04,367 --> 00:27:06,901 When Epstein was taken off suicide watch, 595 00:27:07,067 --> 00:27:09,501 he landed back here in the special housing unit 596 00:27:09,667 --> 00:27:12,801 in a cell just 15 feet from the guard station. 597 00:27:12,968 --> 00:27:15,901 Welcome to Epstein's final home. 598 00:27:17,467 --> 00:27:19,634 Mm. 599 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:27,868 What we believe is that from this piece of fabric, 600 00:27:28,033 --> 00:27:31,400 hand-ripped from the many other fabrics that he had, 601 00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:35,567 this is what was attached to a separate piece of fabric 602 00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:37,267 that was a noose, and that this is 603 00:27:37,434 --> 00:27:39,801 where he actually hung himself. 604 00:27:39,968 --> 00:27:43,400 You understand when someone wants to hang themselves, 605 00:27:43,567 --> 00:27:46,667 they do it from a ceiling fan or something like that, 606 00:27:46,834 --> 00:27:50,467 where they kick out the chair and they're done. 607 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,400 But when you are hanging yourself where your feet 608 00:27:53,567 --> 00:27:54,701 are still on the ground, 609 00:27:55,767 --> 00:27:59,868 I don't know how you can mentally process to not have 610 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,367 the natural evolutionary biological instincts 611 00:28:02,534 --> 00:28:05,300 of the will to survive not kick in. 612 00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:07,400 Meaning, put your feet underneath you 613 00:28:07,567 --> 00:28:08,667 and stand up again. 614 00:28:08,901 --> 00:28:13,300 That... and break your hyoid bone in the process? 615 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Epstein's hyoid bone, 616 00:28:16,167 --> 00:28:18,501 a small, delicate bone in the throat, 617 00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:21,167 was fractured, and the thyroid cartilage 618 00:28:21,334 --> 00:28:23,567 that forms the Adam's apple was also broken. 619 00:28:23,734 --> 00:28:27,601 So he must have created enough force from somewhere 620 00:28:27,767 --> 00:28:29,701 for those bones to break. 621 00:28:29,868 --> 00:28:32,667 Now, when we created this mock up, 622 00:28:32,834 --> 00:28:34,267 it is to scale. 623 00:28:34,434 --> 00:28:38,501 So we can literally recreate the hanging of a six-foot, 624 00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:40,701 180-pound man, 625 00:28:40,868 --> 00:28:42,000 to see if this would even work. 626 00:28:42,167 --> 00:28:43,467 You game for that? 627 00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:46,467 No. I'm 6'1", but no. 628 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,067 I don't need you. I have a dummy 629 00:28:49,234 --> 00:28:50,701 to stand in for Epstein. 630 00:28:53,167 --> 00:28:54,767 Want to hand me that piece of fabric 631 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:55,868 that's hanging right there? 632 00:28:58,767 --> 00:28:59,901 Thank you. 633 00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:06,000 The other thing is the noose has to be long enough... 634 00:29:06,767 --> 00:29:08,601 that he can sit up here. 635 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,767 So I'm gonna give us a square knot. 636 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,133 And if our Epstein... 637 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,400 could successfully keep a short enough noose here, 638 00:29:21,267 --> 00:29:23,167 and also long enough... 639 00:29:23,667 --> 00:29:25,267 to be up here... 640 00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:28,667 ...he's on the ground. 641 00:29:28,834 --> 00:29:30,868 This doesn't just look difficult. 642 00:29:31,033 --> 00:29:32,601 When you break it down mechanically, 643 00:29:32,767 --> 00:29:35,067 the math is just as problematic. 644 00:29:35,234 --> 00:29:37,100 He would have to have landed-- 645 00:29:37,701 --> 00:29:39,567 Like that, which means it would have had 646 00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:40,701 to be way tighter 647 00:29:40,868 --> 00:29:42,501 to-- to get in that spot. - Mm-hmm. 648 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:45,868 For Epstein to be found suspended 649 00:29:46,033 --> 00:29:47,501 an inch or so off the ground, 650 00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:49,667 the sheet he was hanging from would have had 651 00:29:49,834 --> 00:29:51,767 to been around a foot and a half long, 652 00:29:51,934 --> 00:29:52,968 making it nearly 653 00:29:53,133 --> 00:29:55,100 impossible for him to be able to swing 654 00:29:55,267 --> 00:29:56,334 from the top of the bunk. 655 00:29:58,601 --> 00:30:01,100 The next question is, do Epstein's broken bones 656 00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:04,067 actually match what could have happened inside the cell? 657 00:30:04,234 --> 00:30:05,767 For that, we need to bring in someone 658 00:30:05,934 --> 00:30:08,200 with serious medical expertise. 659 00:30:08,367 --> 00:30:09,334 There's irregularities. 660 00:30:10,367 --> 00:30:13,400 Irregularities that I can't just dismiss. 661 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,367 2 You and I are landing on a lot of the same key points, 662 00:30:28,534 --> 00:30:30,200 the same anchor points, but I'm also noticing 663 00:30:30,367 --> 00:30:33,000 that you and I don't have the knowledge depth 664 00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:36,868 of and human physiology to be able to come 665 00:30:37,033 --> 00:30:38,367 to any meaningful conclusions on our own. 666 00:30:38,534 --> 00:30:42,000 So I've asked someone to join us that I think will help shed 667 00:30:42,167 --> 00:30:43,067 some light on that. 668 00:30:43,234 --> 00:30:44,767 - Let's go. - So let me bring her in. 669 00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:48,367 Meet Dr. Priya Banerjee. 670 00:30:48,534 --> 00:30:50,567 She's the final piece of my investigative team. 671 00:30:50,734 --> 00:30:52,868 - Dr. Banerjee, thank you so much for coming. - Thank you. 672 00:30:53,801 --> 00:30:56,000 Dr. Banerjee is a forensic pathologist 673 00:30:56,167 --> 00:30:57,300 and former state medical examiner 674 00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:58,901 for the state of Maryland. 675 00:30:59,067 --> 00:31:01,567 And she specializes in homicides, cold cases, 676 00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:03,567 and has worked multiple deaths that happened 677 00:31:03,734 --> 00:31:05,868 inside jails and prisons. 678 00:31:06,033 --> 00:31:07,267 She should be able to help us 679 00:31:07,434 --> 00:31:09,300 answer whether Jeffrey Epstein's injuries are 680 00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:11,367 consistent with suicide by hanging. 681 00:31:18,767 --> 00:31:21,934 - So if you'll come this way, Dr. Banerjee. - Yes, OK. 682 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,067 Report said that there was a noose around his neck 683 00:31:28,234 --> 00:31:32,200 and then a separate fabric that was tied to the top part 684 00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:33,633 of the bunk. 685 00:31:33,634 --> 00:31:36,567 I explained to Dr. Banerjee how difficult it is to square 686 00:31:36,734 --> 00:31:39,000 the official account with a coherent narrative 687 00:31:39,167 --> 00:31:40,533 of how he died. 688 00:31:40,534 --> 00:31:42,667 So, there's just so many questions that I have 689 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:44,300 that give me a lot of pause. 690 00:31:46,767 --> 00:31:49,400 After viewing how Epstein's body was found, 691 00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:51,968 Dr. Banerjee is ready to walk us through her findings 692 00:31:52,133 --> 00:31:53,467 about his injuries. 693 00:31:53,634 --> 00:31:55,367 It's a very complicated case. 694 00:31:55,534 --> 00:31:57,400 Maybe we can look at a model I brought with me? 695 00:31:57,567 --> 00:31:58,766 - Please. - Sure. 696 00:31:58,767 --> 00:32:00,767 At the center of her unanswered questions are 697 00:32:00,934 --> 00:32:02,400 the injuries to Epstein's neck. 698 00:32:03,567 --> 00:32:06,367 OK, so we have the left hyoid bone fracture 699 00:32:06,868 --> 00:32:09,868 and both of the thyroid cartilage is fractured. 700 00:32:10,033 --> 00:32:14,367 Now what's unusual is this many fractures. 701 00:32:14,534 --> 00:32:18,501 Usually you can have a fracture just under one point 702 00:32:18,667 --> 00:32:21,367 of pressure, but in my career, 703 00:32:21,534 --> 00:32:25,000 I have not seen bilateral hyoid bone fractures. 704 00:32:26,868 --> 00:32:29,100 And I've done over 3000 autopsies. 705 00:32:29,267 --> 00:32:32,167 I have seen it in like manual strangulation, 706 00:32:32,334 --> 00:32:34,267 ligature strangulation. 707 00:32:34,434 --> 00:32:36,000 What you've seen in manual strangulation? 708 00:32:36,167 --> 00:32:38,701 - Yep, manual strangulation. - Meaning somebody's hands. 709 00:32:38,868 --> 00:32:39,901 Somebody whose hands-- correct. 710 00:32:40,067 --> 00:32:42,000 So when we're talking about asphyxia, 711 00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:45,567 there's many ways of cutting off oxygen to the brain. 712 00:32:45,734 --> 00:32:48,200 Like, have I seen multiple fractures in these structures? 713 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:50,267 Yes. Have I seen it in hanging? 714 00:32:50,434 --> 00:32:51,367 No. 715 00:32:51,534 --> 00:32:52,701 That doesn't mean it can't occur, 716 00:32:52,868 --> 00:32:56,400 but that's where my red flags come up in this case. 717 00:32:56,567 --> 00:32:59,067 Dr. Banerjee isn't the only forensic pathologist 718 00:32:59,234 --> 00:33:01,868 who believes that Epstein's internal neck injuries are 719 00:33:02,033 --> 00:33:03,300 crucial pieces of evidence 720 00:33:03,467 --> 00:33:05,300 that this may not have been a suicide. 721 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:09,200 Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City 722 00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:10,801 medical examiner, has investigated some 723 00:33:10,968 --> 00:33:13,868 of the most high-profile deaths in the country, 724 00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:16,167 including the assassinations of John F. Kennedy 725 00:33:16,334 --> 00:33:18,100 and Martin Luther King Jr. 726 00:33:18,267 --> 00:33:20,267 He was hired by Epstein's brother 727 00:33:20,434 --> 00:33:21,601 to observe the autopsy 728 00:33:21,767 --> 00:33:24,167 and conduct an independent forensic investigation. 729 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,901 I think that the evidence points toward homicide 730 00:33:28,067 --> 00:33:29,701 rather than suicide. - Why? 731 00:33:29,868 --> 00:33:33,267 Because hanging does not cause these broken bones 732 00:33:33,434 --> 00:33:35,367 and a homicide does. 733 00:33:35,534 --> 00:33:37,968 Usually two bones, even three, 734 00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:40,667 is a huge amount of pressure was applied. 735 00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,367 What's also catching Dr. Banerjee's attention are 736 00:33:43,534 --> 00:33:47,000 Epstein's external injuries, the wounds on his neck. 737 00:33:47,167 --> 00:33:49,100 In many hangings, the ligature tightens 738 00:33:49,267 --> 00:33:51,100 and shifts towards the suspension point, 739 00:33:51,267 --> 00:33:53,868 leaving an angled pressure mark that follows the path 740 00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:55,000 of the fabric. 741 00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:56,801 But Epstein's wounds are in the middle 742 00:33:56,968 --> 00:33:58,901 of his neck and horizontal. 743 00:33:59,067 --> 00:34:01,300 I'm also concerned about the mark on the back 744 00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:04,100 of the neck, the contusion, the bruise. 745 00:34:04,267 --> 00:34:07,701 That doesn't seem as plausible with the ligature 746 00:34:07,868 --> 00:34:10,300 around the neck. I don't usually see it there. 747 00:34:10,467 --> 00:34:11,901 Dr. Banerjee also has questions 748 00:34:12,067 --> 00:34:14,367 about the distribution of his injuries. 749 00:34:14,534 --> 00:34:16,000 The front of his neck is bloodied, 750 00:34:16,167 --> 00:34:17,067 but in the back, 751 00:34:17,234 --> 00:34:18,868 there's just bruising. 752 00:34:19,033 --> 00:34:20,801 The back of the neck, where there's deep hemorrhage, 753 00:34:20,968 --> 00:34:23,100 there's no pressure mark, 754 00:34:23,267 --> 00:34:25,667 there's nothing on the skin. That's weird. 755 00:34:25,834 --> 00:34:28,400 Dr. Banerjee has me asking the million-dollar question. 756 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:31,567 Epstein may have been found hanging, 757 00:34:31,734 --> 00:34:33,767 but could he have died another way? 758 00:34:34,968 --> 00:34:37,501 What if these injuries weren't caused by a noose tightening 759 00:34:37,667 --> 00:34:39,467 from above, but by a force 760 00:34:39,634 --> 00:34:41,367 pulling straight back from behind him? 761 00:34:42,467 --> 00:34:45,300 That could explain why there's a friction mark in front, 762 00:34:45,467 --> 00:34:47,801 where fabric was pressing hard into his skin, 763 00:34:47,968 --> 00:34:50,567 and deeper bruising in the back from pressure applied 764 00:34:50,734 --> 00:34:52,567 in the opposite direction. 765 00:34:52,868 --> 00:34:54,767 It's not proof of anything, 766 00:34:54,934 --> 00:34:57,367 but it's another detail that doesn't perfectly fit 767 00:34:57,534 --> 00:34:59,300 the official explanation. 768 00:34:59,467 --> 00:35:02,968 There was a second pathologist who reviewed it privately, 769 00:35:03,133 --> 00:35:04,334 Dr. Michael Baden. 770 00:35:04,501 --> 00:35:07,968 In some ways I'm an in-between those two pathologists, 771 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:10,100 which is why I'm still settling on undetermined, 772 00:35:10,267 --> 00:35:14,467 which is a difference in opinion from the original autopsy. 773 00:35:14,634 --> 00:35:18,567 You know, I have concerns that take me out of the suicide 774 00:35:18,734 --> 00:35:21,667 and consider homicide, but I haven't slam dunked 775 00:35:21,834 --> 00:35:23,367 into the homicide either. 776 00:35:23,534 --> 00:35:24,868 I mean, Dr. Banerjee, this has been 777 00:35:25,033 --> 00:35:26,333 fantastically helpful. - Excellent. 778 00:35:26,334 --> 00:35:27,868 - Good. - Thank you very much for your time and your input. 779 00:35:28,033 --> 00:35:29,000 Thank you. 780 00:35:29,167 --> 00:35:31,467 If this wasn't a clear suicide 781 00:35:31,634 --> 00:35:34,167 and it isn't a proven homicide, 782 00:35:34,334 --> 00:35:35,968 what are we missing? 783 00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:39,567 At CIA, I was taught that when conclusions are uncertain, 784 00:35:39,734 --> 00:35:42,501 you have to go back to the earliest possible evidence. 785 00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:43,968 We have to go back to the scene. 786 00:35:45,067 --> 00:35:47,767 Coming up, when we step back inside the mockup 787 00:35:47,934 --> 00:35:51,000 and cross-reference the actual layout of MCC, 788 00:35:51,167 --> 00:35:53,167 we find a detail that opens the door 789 00:35:53,334 --> 00:35:55,701 to the most controversial theory in this entire case. 790 00:36:04,868 --> 00:36:06,367 2 The schematics of the prison 791 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000 don't show that wall. 792 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:11,300 What? 793 00:36:12,767 --> 00:36:15,367 Please stand out here, shut that door, 794 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000 and peek in through this window for me. 795 00:36:19,167 --> 00:36:20,100 Sure. 796 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,000 All right. 797 00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:25,367 - Can you see Epstein? - No. 798 00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:30,801 I have this window in time 799 00:36:30,968 --> 00:36:33,467 to do whatever I want to do to this guy, 800 00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:35,801 and nobody can witness from the window. 801 00:36:36,868 --> 00:36:38,167 And then I can always 802 00:36:39,767 --> 00:36:41,601 place him where I need to place him. 803 00:36:44,868 --> 00:36:46,133 So assuming... 804 00:36:46,901 --> 00:36:52,467 it was a collaborative effort with help inside the prison, 805 00:36:52,634 --> 00:36:54,868 there was a legit blind spot right there 806 00:36:55,033 --> 00:36:58,000 that any unwitting guard wouldn't know what's going on. 807 00:36:58,167 --> 00:36:59,467 If you'll follow me again. 808 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:03,000 Remember, a figure in orange was seen going up the stairs 809 00:37:03,167 --> 00:37:07,100 to L-Tier at 10:40 PM the night Jeffrey Epstein died. 810 00:37:07,267 --> 00:37:09,501 No one was seen coming back down from the cells 811 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,100 the rest of the night. 812 00:37:11,868 --> 00:37:16,667 This wall that's left out of the prison blueprints, 813 00:37:16,834 --> 00:37:19,367 I asked Billy if this wall was in the prison. 814 00:37:19,534 --> 00:37:21,767 He said some cells had it, some cells didn't. 815 00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:25,000 Billy said it had a vent up here 816 00:37:25,167 --> 00:37:27,467 and a second vent down there towards the bottom. 817 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,534 That meant there was no purpose for that wall except ductwork. 818 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,968 Did the figure in orange leave L-Tier with Epstein 819 00:37:38,133 --> 00:37:41,567 and help facilitate some kind of covert exfiltration? 820 00:37:41,734 --> 00:37:43,767 It's a seemingly improbable theory, 821 00:37:43,934 --> 00:37:47,667 but one even a former colleague at CIA can't rule out. 822 00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:51,901 I asked John Kiriakou if you were to fake his death, 823 00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:54,167 if he were put in charge of it, how would he do it? 824 00:37:54,334 --> 00:37:57,767 You would take out the body in full view of everybody, 825 00:37:57,934 --> 00:38:00,367 whether it's a body double. 826 00:38:00,534 --> 00:38:04,100 Let as many people as possible see this body. 827 00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:08,167 What happened? 828 00:38:08,334 --> 00:38:09,667 That's exactly what they did. 829 00:38:13,367 --> 00:38:14,701 Oh my God. 830 00:38:14,868 --> 00:38:17,501 So I started this whole journey 831 00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:19,567 just trying to answer the question 832 00:38:19,734 --> 00:38:25,267 of if he killed himself or if somebody killed him. 833 00:38:26,701 --> 00:38:29,167 But the probabilities have expanded 834 00:38:29,334 --> 00:38:33,267 to a third potentially realistic option. 835 00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:37,567 The cover-up's always worse the crime, 836 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,267 and it's always executed worse than the crime. 837 00:38:41,434 --> 00:38:44,267 Like, they're not creating one open loop for you to question, 838 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:50,801 they are creating a million, and as you start adding 839 00:38:50,968 --> 00:38:52,667 those threads, 840 00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:55,968 the probabilities of the answer being something normal, 841 00:38:56,133 --> 00:38:58,167 meaning, like, "Yeah, he killed himself," 842 00:38:58,334 --> 00:38:59,801 get closer and closer to zero. 843 00:38:59,968 --> 00:39:01,767 And at some point, they do cross that threshold 844 00:39:01,934 --> 00:39:04,267 where it is now mathematically zero, 845 00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:08,400 and I cross that threshold on that. 846 00:39:09,267 --> 00:39:12,000 So where does all of this leave us? 847 00:39:12,167 --> 00:39:14,067 In intelligence work, we're taught to think 848 00:39:14,234 --> 00:39:15,467 in probabilities, 849 00:39:15,634 --> 00:39:18,167 but every new anomaly in this case sends us 850 00:39:18,334 --> 00:39:20,100 spinning off in a new direction. 851 00:39:20,267 --> 00:39:22,467 Jeffrey Epstein has taken his own life 852 00:39:22,634 --> 00:39:24,200 while he was behind bars. 853 00:39:24,367 --> 00:39:26,400 The official story was a suicide, 854 00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:28,968 but when you stack that up with surveillance failures, 855 00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:30,567 broken protocols, 856 00:39:30,734 --> 00:39:32,968 and unanswered forensic questions, 857 00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:36,167 that explanation starts to feel less probable. 858 00:39:37,267 --> 00:39:41,367 So then you have to consider the next possibility-- murder. 859 00:39:41,801 --> 00:39:44,000 Based on my investigation, we found that this is 860 00:39:44,167 --> 00:39:46,367 at least plausible. 861 00:39:46,534 --> 00:39:49,167 There was certainly motive, there was ample opportunity, 862 00:39:49,334 --> 00:39:50,667 and there were more than enough holes 863 00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,100 in the official explanation 864 00:39:52,267 --> 00:39:55,167 to make this theory impossible to ignore. 865 00:39:55,334 --> 00:39:58,767 But this case is so full of contradictions 866 00:39:58,934 --> 00:40:02,100 that it actually leads to a third possibility, 867 00:40:02,267 --> 00:40:04,701 that Jeffrey Epstein may still be alive. 868 00:40:04,868 --> 00:40:05,767 He's alive. 869 00:40:05,934 --> 00:40:07,567 - Yeah. - That's in the files. 870 00:40:07,734 --> 00:40:08,868 He's been alive. 871 00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:10,567 It's in the files that he's alive? 872 00:40:10,734 --> 00:40:13,167 The idea that Epstein was taken out of MCC alive 873 00:40:13,334 --> 00:40:15,000 may sound far-fetched. 874 00:40:15,167 --> 00:40:18,367 But online, people have claimed to spot him alive and well 875 00:40:18,534 --> 00:40:21,567 in multiple countries, including Israel. 876 00:40:21,734 --> 00:40:22,667 No doubt in my mind, 877 00:40:22,834 --> 00:40:25,601 that is 1,000% Jeffrey Epstein. 878 00:40:25,767 --> 00:40:28,067 In my experience at CIA, we often carried out 879 00:40:28,234 --> 00:40:30,767 these types of clandestine exfiltrations 880 00:40:30,934 --> 00:40:34,567 as part of our core system of covert operations. 881 00:40:34,734 --> 00:40:36,667 But there's no verifiable evidence to support 882 00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:38,501 these claims in this case. 883 00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:41,367 So it's my conclusion that it's improbable, 884 00:40:41,534 --> 00:40:43,367 though not impossible, 885 00:40:43,534 --> 00:40:46,200 that Jeffrey Epstein is still alive. 886 00:40:46,367 --> 00:40:49,667 But the fact that this claim won't go away speaks 887 00:40:49,834 --> 00:40:51,667 to something deeper. 888 00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,601 There are just so many aspects 889 00:40:53,767 --> 00:40:55,067 to this that don't make any sense. 890 00:40:55,234 --> 00:40:58,701 When a case this high-profile doesn't end in clarity, 891 00:40:58,868 --> 00:41:01,667 intelligence professionals see it as a warning flag, 892 00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:04,067 not just as a failure of accountability, 893 00:41:04,234 --> 00:41:06,300 but as the signs of a failing system. 894 00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:09,100 It's the most secure federal lockup in the United States. 895 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:10,667 How can that happen? 896 00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:12,801 And that's the real lesson here. 897 00:41:12,968 --> 00:41:14,032 Those in power know 898 00:41:14,033 --> 00:41:16,767 that when you stop pushing for the real story, 899 00:41:17,467 --> 00:41:20,167 you begin to accept the narrative. 900 00:41:21,801 --> 00:41:22,801 And the truth... 901 00:41:24,601 --> 00:41:25,601 becomes optional.